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UTSU vs men’s rights group

Student union proposes school wide condemnation of men’s rights website

Written by  ISAAC THORNLEY
UTSU vs men’s rights group all art by SCOTT LEEMING
UTSU has added an item to their general meeting agenda to propose a U of T-wide condemnation of the men’s rights website “A Voice for Men” (AVfM).

Since the November protest against controversial speaker Warren Farrell’s lecture at U of T, AVfM has risen to notoriety across campus as the organization responsible for collecting photos and information of women they deem to have been engaging in illegal protest action, characterising them as “bigots” and presenting them as such on a website called register-her.com, which is designed to serve as a place to profile women guilty of any “offenses” such as false rape accusations, bigotry, and illegal protest.

Corey Scott, UTSU VP Internal, the individual responsible for forwarding the motion said, “We want to make sure that the university is taking our stance on this website seriously. … The intention of this motion is to provide U of T-wide undergraduate support for [the students that have been attacked].”

When asked to comment on why their organization feels it is necessary to pursue this type of action against these women, AVfM founder and Editor in Chief Paul Elam argued that what they are doing is necessary and legal, and that the information they are gathering had already been made publicly available. “These people have advertised, on the internet, their conduct of vandalizing posters and mistreating young men who were trying to attend the lecture. We have to treat them like that in order to get the issues on the table, and we’re going to continue to.”

AVfM’s move to target these women online has resulted in a number of violent threats being sent via phone, email, and social media, both to the targeted women as well as to members of the UTSU executive committee and volunteers. “The maliciousness that they are inciting, the pursuit, is hate,” commented Scott. “This is getting out of hand, and it’s only proving the case that this movement does incite hate and encourage people to attack women who are empowered.”

When asked whether AVfM has directly taken part in any of the threats, Elam responded, “Should said activities even exist, which is unclear at this time, the answer is no.” Elam pointed to a lack of evidence on the part of the UTSU to make these claims against AVfM. From the UTSU’s perspective, much of that “evidence” has been submitted to the Community Safety Office for investigation, and is therefore confidential.



Paul Elam has defended AVfM by asserting that they are not misogynistic, woman-hating, nor do they promote violence against any group, including women. He underscored the diversity of AVfM, “We have black members, gay members, trans members, we have one of the most diverse groups of people you could imagine.” He also remarked that one of the primary spokespersons for AVfM is Erin Pizzey, the woman responsible for starting one of the world’s first women’s shelters in the early 1970’s.

Elam commented, “We are patently anti-feminist. We are not against equal rights. We are for equal rights. We are for equal opportunity.”

Elam also responded to the claim that AVfM’s targeting of women only was a sign of a sex bias, “It is due to the lack of verifiable information about the suspects, so far... This is a matter in which the UTSU could be helpful. Given that they may feel that the identification of only females in the protest represents sexual bias on our part, they can immediately test that theory, as well as performing a civic duty, by providing us with the identities of the two men clearly captured in the video blocking the door.”

Elam is referring to a YouTube video titled “Warren Farrell protest at the University of Toronto - Full version.” Despite Elam’s apparent enthusiasm in seeking help from UTSU in identifying the male protesters, neither side has had any official contact with the other.

UTSU’s proposed action to take AVfM offline by addressing their website provider was scoffed at by Paul Elam, who commented, “That’s not going to happen. We’re dealing with an impossible scenario there. AVfM is not going anywhere.”

Elam then further commented that the publicity generated by such an action would certainly direct more attention towards their movement and cause. “I guarantee it will be good for us. They are assisting us greatly with this effort. It will draw more attention to us and our message, which is growing.”

When asked about the risk of giving AVfM more publicity, Corey Scott responded, “I think potentially that that risk has already happened. There was a massive explosion of people looking at that site right after the event. It’s one of those difficulties because you don’t want to provide space, but at the same time you can’t let everything go, you can’t just let people go and post stuff about students, about people in our community, without taking a stance.”

The Union’s motion consists of three points: the first two are more symbolic in nature--calls for student solidarity against the stances and actions of AVfM as well as support for the women that have been attacked online; the third point is a call to action to have the website itself blacklisted and shutdown by their website provider for hate speech.

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43 comments

  • Comment Link האתר שלנו Wednesday, 20 March 2013 01:48 posted by האתר שלנו

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    in stores:. The first thing to seek out when you buy Viagra is the color.
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  • Comment Link Pierre Savoie Friday, 22 February 2013 00:13 posted by Pierre Savoie

    A Voice For Men Radio has taken an indirect swipe at UofT feminists in this show, "Post Modern Poison" where it argues that we have phased out free debate and respect for evidence-based truth and gone with preserving people's feelings no matter what. Post- modernism is primitivism.

    Podcast starts automatically:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2013/01/25/post-modern-poison

  • Comment Link Pierre Savoie Sunday, 10 February 2013 23:45 posted by Pierre Savoie

    Clearly, the people at UofT are proficient in Men's Rights only at a Grade 1 level.

    A Voice For Men has a radio podcast site, very vital topics, but with technical glitches in their telephone feeds:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen

    We must also start unlearning the lies of the feminist movement such as the Wage Gap. That was another topic that Warren Farrell knew a whole lot about, and it was demolished on the ABC News show "20/20". After seeing things like that, I say ALL of feminist claims are up for review.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtjaBQMog0Q

  • Comment Link gwallan Wednesday, 06 February 2013 22:40 posted by gwallan

    AVoiceforReason said...

    In case anyone is wondering, the comments in this article are being flooded with a coordinated attacked by a recognized reddit hate site /r/mensrights.

    "flooded"? There are a grand total of 39 comments. What an enormous deluge. Presumably you have the ip referrer detail to support your claim. I'd suggest a more likely source would be AVFM.

    The views expressed by these men are not an representation of the views of the public, or UTSU students, or faculty.

    Are they not members of the "public" regardless of where they come from? Are you absolutely sure they are NOT UTSU students or faculty? Would you know if your bum was on fire?

    This is the same tactic used by hategroups all over the web, to trick people into believing that this is a debate with two equal sides. Stormfront is particularly guilty of this, and where /r/menrights learned their tacticts

    Anybody hoping to learn about Stormfront tactics from this presentation will be sadly mislead. A quick look at the video of the protest at the Farrell event would be much more educational.

  • Comment Link ZimbaZumba Wednesday, 06 February 2013 20:01 posted by ZimbaZumba

    @AVoiceforReason. So when reason fails your tactic is to demonise the "enemy". Goebbels would have been proud of you. You and your kind are a threat to a civilised society.

    Reasoned response I suppose is too much to ask of you. Don't you understand that this whole incident has exposed the likes of you what you are. People are going to take you and your Stalinesque tactics anymore, you and your post are transparently grotesque.

  • Comment Link AVoiceforReason Wednesday, 06 February 2013 16:31 posted by AVoiceforReason

    In case anyone is wondering, the comments in this article are being flooded with a coordinated attacked by a recognized reddit hate site /r/mensrights.

    The views expressed by these men are not an representation of the views of the public, or UTSU students, or faculty. This is the same tactic used by hategroups all over the web, to trick people into believing that this is a debate with two equal sides. Stormfront is particularly guilty of this, and where /r/menrights learned their tacticts

  • Comment Link frank bear Wednesday, 06 February 2013 13:02 posted by frank bear

    are you even aware that the healthcare bill discriminates against men?
    So I’ve always one of those people who never understood MRAs and thought feminists were right and the ones who stood for equality.
    I supported Obama care because I don’t make a lot of money and medical care is expensive
    then i read this story about how men are going to be discriminated against and have to pay more and get less services and benefits
    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112259/obamacare-sticker-shock-not-very-shocking
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/premium-price-shock-could-fuel-some-aca-foes-87116.html
    I read in one place that a man who makes $35,000 year will pay a $1,000 premium. A woman who makes $100,000 will pay $53 a year
    Not only that, but women will get benefits and services that men don’t. there will be free health screenings for women for cancer/heart disease, but no screenings for men. There will be very little funding for male cancers like prostate cancer, and tere will be extra programs and research for women in general.
    Men will be left to die
    And everytime men tryand bring male health issues up, we are attacked fro supporting “rape culture.” Its obvious that we are being suppressed and silenced so we can be ignored. Ive tried bringing this up with feminist friends, and a few feminist-friendly places online, and I was immediately shot down and told that this either wasn’t true, or “didn’t matter cause of history dude.”
    i thought what?!?!?!?! i thought obama and feminists always talk about equality?? what is this? Maybe you guys are right afterall. I tried
    Feminists can’t say “we don’t stand against men”, because they support this healthcare bill, so they supported a bill that discriminates against men and may even lead to the early deaths of some men.so clearly they do not stand for equality.
    I still don’t think republicans are any better for democrats, but its like now I have nowhere to go where I can feel good about.

  • Comment Link Intin Wednesday, 06 February 2013 09:07 posted by Intin

    If you guys don't want people calling you on your stupidity, try acting less stupid. You buffoons protested a talk on boy's mental health based on an out-of-context quote and lies.

    Sorry AvfM is revealing your stupidity here, but remember, they're just revealing actions you took. Those actions are what made you all look dumb and they are your responsibility.

  • Comment Link David Gatti Wednesday, 06 February 2013 08:39 posted by David Gatti

    A voice for men simply identified the people leading the attack on the lecture attendees. This information was public as the protesters were bragging all over the Facebook and twitter accounts.
    If you saw a hooded KKK member protesting a black meeting wouldn't you want to rip of his/her hood?

  • Comment Link ZimbaZumba Tuesday, 05 February 2013 17:25 posted by ZimbaZumba

    Protesting a Warren Farrel talk strategically is a catastrophic mistake. Farrell by any measure is one of the most respected and reasonable voices there is in gender debate. The fact it was protested shows the ignorance of these women and that they were driven by bigotry rather than reason.

    The motion before the UTSU is merely compounding the issue; it's an attempt at muddying the truth of their regrettable behavior.

    These people are used to bullying their view points through without much resistance. As with all bullies they eventually meet their match.

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